Posts by John Aquila

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Is there actually a valid Translation of the Bible ?

by Phizzy in

i saw a vid on-line awhile ago, i cannot remember the title so can't find it, but the guy was some sort of expert in the languages of the bible, and he made a very good case that there has never been a proper translation of the bible.. what he was saying was that all translators fall into the same trap of an overly slavish use of the etymology of words rather than how language was actually used at the time of writing.. he said that what was needed were scholars who were familiar with secular contemporaneous writings, and knew how language was used at the time.. this looks like a very interesting argument.. any thoughts ?

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John Aquila

and he made a very good case that there has never been a proper Translation of the Bible.

And that's why I finally came to the conclusion that the Bible is not inspired of God, but just a collection of books by men. If God wanted to communicate with his children, he would have used a communication method that would not require tons of scholars and translators to interpret. If God wanted to communicate with his children, he could have easily implanted his word in everyone's brains during sleep at the same time. That way no one would be confused and no human would have the power to say; "God talked to me alone" Even the Bible admits that God communicates with people by means of night visions or dreams.

(Daniel 2:19) . . .Then it was that to Daniel in a night vision the secret was revealed. . .

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Something interesting!

by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

The Searcher
the Annual Meeting talk by Samuel Herd made it clear that Special Pioneers were being booted in affluent countries!

Why? because it's a waste of resources to pay for folks who can't recruit in the West anymore - but 3rd world countries have growth potential.

Searcher I didn't listen to the talk, I have a hard time listening to those talks, but did he actually say "it's a waste of resources to pay for folks who can't recruit in the West anymore"

Because if that's the case, I can't understand why all 8 million jws aren't getting it???

I mean that is just to crazy that he would say that. So the West has gathered all the sheep that will survived the Great tribulation? This is just to much!!!

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Oubliette

These guys are not apostates Could you please explain what you mean?

Yes from the WT perspective they are apostates. What I mean is that they are not apostates in the sense that we are.Their reason for leaving is they feel the WT has dropped the ball sort of like some of the Kings of Israel but were still used by Jehovah. King Saul comes to mine. They will not look at apostate sites or read books from apostates like Ray Franz. They will not consider the possibility that 607 BCE is a wrong date. They still believe the great tribulation is coming but they might die before. They still believe in Jehovah, Jesus, Annointed Kings who will reign in heaven but don't believe the GB make up that group.

They are basing their views on the changes they see and comparing it with the zeal they used to have in the old days and 2 + 2 don't add up.

One of the talks dealt with King Ahab and his queen Jezebel who killed Jehovah's prophets. God's name was still with Israel but the individuals running the show had become corrupted.

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

HappyHappyHappy1914
I too am of the 30s and 40s group and would like to make a few comments. While I hate to use this word, I think those in my age group are in a bit of a transitional "generation," We are caught between the more robust organization of years prior and the more user-friendly, re-branded organization of today.

First I want to say welcome. And I totally agree with you. That is what I am seeing also. I believe this is the main reason why the WT is stopping building projects, sending bethlites and special pioneers home. The support for the Organization has finally reached it's peak. The glory days are over. It's all downhill from here. We are seeing history of the WT in the making.

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Magnum

I'm sure it would be very difficult for them to even briefly entertain the idea that there won't be a paradise earth.

My friend made it very plain when he invited me, that if I didn’t believe in the Bible and its promise of a New Earth, then this meeting wasn’t for me and I should look elsewhere. One of the brothers who got up to give the first talk explain the reason for meeting and she used this scripture

(Proverbs 27:17) . . .By iron, iron itself is sharpened. So one man sharpens the face of another.

From there he went on and used scriptures related to the paradise earth like 2 peter-“New Heavens and a New Earth that we are awaiting” and others like it.

These guys and gals want nothing to do with apostates or the WT. But they are too old to start another religion which is why they only meet a few time a year---which is just to encourage and probable socialize

clarity

*I have felt for a long time that wt can't wait for us oldies to kick off! As long as we are here ..there is still a dangerous voice that knows where 'the bodies are buried'.

LOL! I think your correct.

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

tim3l0rd Thanks for that info. So I guess the 30-40s are like split in half. Those that embrace the internet are waking up and those that don't are going into a deeper sleep.

The difference with these older ones that I met with is they don't embrace the internet. They don't follow the WT because of broken promises and the drastic changes. That's why they don't view themselves as apostates. And they still believe in the paradise earth and the Bible. They have not exposed themselves to criticisms of the Bible.

It's interesting how this input from everyone is helping us group those still in the Borg. It gives us something to work with to help some of them wake up.

ThinkerBelle 5 minutes ago
I'm in the 30-40 range, but I can't say that I ever really questioned anything until now

Interesting, so this age seems to be the cut-off point of putting up with all the foolishness of the WT doctrine. From 30 down, very few are staying. To much information on the internet.

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Simon
It's amazing there aren't more given the scale and frequency of their doctrinal changes

Maybe there is and we aren't aware. Last week I would have never imagine there was a group like this. It's was kind of weird for me to be their because they are not JWs and they are not apostates. So what are they?

But I agree, the environment is not conducive anymore to start some other religion. Although from what they told me, that is not their intention. They meet only a few times a year to encourage one another to keep the faith in God and his promise of a New World. Plus they are to old to really do anything in an organized manner. Their basically done.

WHATSGOINGON
I wish that my mum and dad and some of the older ones that have passed away were here to see the changes -

Maybe it's better they didn't. Learning ttatt is heartbreaking. This way they passed away in Peace.

Thanks for the link Vidiot!

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

OrphanCrow - that's a lot of splinter groups.

So this is nothing new. The only problem with this group that I went to is that they will all be gone in the next 20 years. The youngest couple was 65 years old and some of the older one were in their late 80s.

I don't think young ones are forming any splinter groups.

Once the old remnants of the WT organization are GONE, then that will be the day when the WT will close its doors and open a NEW Religious organization. One that has nothing to do with 1914, blood, Last days.

Watchtower will finally be gone!

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

The facebook generation moto, "if you don't like someone, just unfriend them." As simple as that!

LOL! You know, you hit it smack on the nail. It all makes sense now about the young ones I see. I couldn't figure it out till now that you said that. They really don't care. Most of them couldn't care less about being elders or Ministerial Servants. They want a life and nothing and no one is going to stop them.

You always learn something on this board.

BTW what about the 30s-40s jws. They are not facebook generation but at the same time they are not the 60s and up who gave up their life. They are like in limbo? What do you think about them?

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by John Aquila in

i was invited to a small get-together by a long time friend.

we both served as elders for years.

he is in his late 70s.

John Aquila

Randall Waters predicted this years ago.

Vidiot, by any chance do you have a link? I would like to read more about this phenomenon.

I think if I hadn't woken up, I might have been one of these people. I'm almost sure of it.